Is S.Africa heading for a civil war?

Is S.Africa heading for a civil war? Former President's brother predicts Civil War...
Date Posted: Wednesday 24-Sep-2008

[It is President Mbeki's brother who is predicting Civil war. Well, look at my own comments just yesterday: S.Africa: If you think Whites and the Right Wing can't work together, wait until you see the Left...

I disagree with Moletsi though. Even though I am not a Zuma fan, and I do not support the Zuma communists, I have to point out that Zuma is responding in exactly the same way as Mbeki started this. Moletsi says below that the ANC should have investigated the judge's views to determine if Mbeki was indeed guilty. EXCUSE ME! When Mbeki fired Zuma 3 years ago, he was even more cavalier! Mbeki FIRED ZUMA THE VERY NEXT DAY (if I remember correctly) after the Shabir Shaik judgement came out. No, President Mbeki got back exactly the same medicine which he dished out to begin with.

Well, as I've said above, the Left and Far Left are intolerant. If Zuma is intolerant, then rest assured Mbeki is even MORE INTOLERANT. Let me remind you that Mbeki has a long disguised history of perhaps nailing several other senior blacks. If you ask BLACK PEOPLE what rumours there are about Mbeki they will tell you the following: That Mbeki was very possibly involved and behind the murder of Chris Hani the leader of the Communist Party. That Cyril Ramaphosa, the 2nd most popular black leader in this country next to Mandela himself, and who was also the successor Nelson Mandela wanted; is scared to death of Mbeki. Ramaphosa left politics and stayed out of it, despite being more popular than Mbeki himself BECAUSE HE FEARS MBEKI WILL MURDER HIM. And, we all know for CERTAIN that Mbeki did his UTMOST to nail Zuma until Zuma finally nailed him.

Moletsi Mbeki might well be right in his observations that this country is on the path to a Civil War now. As a note: Civil Wars are the bloodiest kind of war traditionally. Nothing seems to quite bring out the meanness and desperation in people quite like a Civil war. Look at any country. Whether it was the American Civil war (ok, there the guys who were in the wrong, legally, the Union, won) or any such war in Africa - it is brutal, it is vicious and it lasts a long time.

Look, if Civil War must come to this country, then let it come. I have no problem with it. The issues at stake here are big. If we have to fight among ourselves for the future of this county, then we must go for it. We must roll up our sleeves, pick a side and climb in.

I have a theory about warfare. In my view, warfare is a type of communication. It is not only about talking, but also about DOING and also about showing how FIRMLY you believe in something. Talk is cheap. But let's see who is willing to fight. War will show people who is serious and who is not. War is a test of support, etc. All wars eventually come to an end, and if they end DECISIVELY, then one side is a clear victor, and we then move on in that direction. War brings things into the foreground and we see what the problem is. I really don't have a problem with war at all. It is a valid part of life. When turmoil hits a country, that turmoil and that fighting eventually causes things to be resolved. If we must slug it out, then fine.

Zuma's commies have said they are prepared to fight. Perhaps Julius Malema of the ANC Youth League WAS JUST MORE HONEST. If you look at Mbeki's actions, he is always dignified in front of people, but behind the scenes he's a fiend. So how do we know that Mbeki himself, is not calling for the blood of Zuma's people? We don't know that. But we do know Mbeki has launched some heavy punches at Zuma and his other allies.

If we end up in a Civil War, then President Mbeki started it as far as I'm concerned.

I am not concerned by any of this. What must be must be. I've said many times the ANC is the worst thing that's ever happened to this country, and this is just more proof of that. The only good thing that will come out of this is a change in the black consciousness of this country and that blacks may end up having choices. I welcome that wholeheartedly. Jan]

The Cabinet of President Thabo Mbeki was to meet for the last time on Wednesday before he left office at the behest of the ruling party, the government said.

With its deputy leader Kgalema Motlanthe set to be elected to succeed Mbeki in parliament on Thursday, the African National Congress played down fears of instability after the country's deputy president and 14 ministers and deputies said they would step down with Mbeki.

Seven of those who had given notice had indicated they would be available to serve again, the party said.

The cabinet meeting late on Wednesday afternoon would be followed by a press briefing on the resignations, a government statement said.



"It will be the last one," government spokesperson Themba Maseko said, referring to the Mbeki administration's final meeting.

Mbeki bowed to a call to resign from the ANC leadership following a damning court ruling which hinted he was instrumental in a decision to prosecute his longtime rival Jacob Zuma, who had ousted him as party leader.

He has denied the allegations.

"The (cabinet) resignations do not pose a crisis and there is no need to panic," said Zuma, widely seen as the favourite to become president after next year's elections, on Tuesday.

But political analyst Moeletsi Mbeki, the outgoing president's brother and frequent critic, said on Wednesday the party was headed down a dangerous path which could end in civil war.

"The ANC is destabilising the country, it's destabilising its own country," Moeletsi Mbeki told Talk Radio 702.

"This is a warning to the ANC national executive committee that if they... continue to follow the path of not following the constitution, then they are going to lead this country to civil war."

He said the ANC should have lodged a complaint with parliament following the remarks of the judge who threw out corruption charges against Zuma on a technicality.

This would then have allowed for an investigation into whether President Mbeki was innocent or guilty.

The announcement of the ministers' resignations came shortly after parliament approved Mbeki's exit from office effective on Thursday, ending the nine-year administration of the man who succeeded anti-apartheid icon Nelson Mandela.

The ministers resigning include Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, who spearheaded a turnaround of the country's Aids policies, and Local Government Minister Sydney Mufamadi, a key negotiator in the Zimbabwe crisis.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe on Tuesday labelled Mbeki's announcement of the resignations, which plunged markets into disarray, as a "dangerous mistake".

"I would say it was a dangerous mistake by Mbeki, I don't think he tried to embarrass us," Mantashe said, as quoted by the Sapa news agency.

The ANC later told Sapa that any "mistake" made would have been by the president's staff and not Mbeki himself.

The country's widely-respected finance minister, Trevor Manuel, seen by investors as vital to the country's stable economy, was among the 11 ministers of the 31-member cabinet who handed in their resignations.

Manuel's spokesperson made it clear that he was ready to serve the new administration, but his announcement led to market jitters with the rand slipping from R7.98 to R8.16 to the US dollar.

The president's office said the ministers' resignations would also take effect on Thursday.

Zuma said the decision to recall Mbeki had been "one of the most painful and difficult decisions" taken in the party's history.

The outgoing president had been increasingly at loggerheads with his party, which split into two camps behind him and Zuma when he made his failed bid to run for a third term as party president at a crunch ANC conference in December last year.

Mbeki attempted to salvage his reputation in the Constitutional Court on Monday, as he challenged the judge's ruling which he says cost him his job as president.
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Posted By: Jan
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Author of: Government by Deception